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An Unfortunate Conservative Irony

07 Mar

It’s an unfortunate irony that while some are trying to paint the Tories as out of touch and wanting to usher in a sort of halcyonic Britain that never actually existed outside the pages of a P.G. Wodehouse novel, the people in the Conservative party who actually do think like that are upping sticks and rushing to UKIP fearful of the “softness” of David Cameron daring to a deal with the Lib dems leaving the party with the truly faithful and sane.

In truth the Tories are shedding the “backward-looking social attitudes” that people like Francis Maude are complaining about and the people who religiously believe in them are dropping the Conservative party for the unelectable UKIP.  In the public perception though they never will have dropped those attitudes as long as there’s a single Labour activist to rant about them and paint them as the party they were 30 years ago.  It’s almost an article of faith to such people, while even as Labour changes, the Tories never can and never will change.

It’s entirely likely that my old mate Kargosh will turn up on this blog and say that I am one of the people who wants to “usher in a sort of halcyonic Britain that never actually existed outside the pages of a P.G. Wodehouse novel” and it’s true that I have said that to him at least once, possibly even using almost that exact phrase.  But, mate, ’twas only banter intended to wind you up.  Oh?  Did it work?  Heh.

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Posted by on March 7, 2012 in Commentariat, Politics

 

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12 responses to “An Unfortunate Conservative Irony

  1. kargosh

    March 7, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    I don’t know what you think, really, but it’s not really the social policies of the Jackanories that bothers me: it’s their economic policies. Or, rather, it’s that they don’t see the difference between social and economic policy.

    And you’re right: today’s crop of Etonian millionaires are nothing like the party of 30 years ago. Thatcher and Major would never have dared pursue the overt and destructive policies of crony privatisation that the Cameron government is merrily and unapologetically following.

    You an obviously draw whatever conclusions you like, but the wealth gap is growing and this is a deliberate policy goal of almost every government in the world at the moment.

     
    • Damocles

      March 7, 2012 at 4:22 pm

      “this is a deliberate policy goal of almost every government in the world at the moment.”

      Lordy, you aren’t going NWO on me are you?

      “they don’t see the difference between social and economic policy.”

      No economic policy can ever have zero social effect and no social policy can ever have zero economic effect. Policy is socio-economic, unavoidably.

       
  2. tommyoto

    March 7, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    I would say attacking welfare and destroying the NHS are pretty backward social attitudes

     
    • Damocles

      March 7, 2012 at 4:56 pm

      Subjective opinions.

      No politician would intend such things, reductions of state benefit in times recession are understandable, as is policy that will reduce the cost of the NHS.

      Change is not destruction per se.

      On the NHS, should patients be the focus of healthcare? Should power be in the hands of faceless non-clinically trained managers? Should success be measured on throughput or the success of clinical procedures?

       
  3. kargosh

    March 7, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    You ridicule the idea of a New World Order as though it weren’t something that’s actually happening and scoff at the idea of an increasingly consolidated, homogenous, socially authoritarian and economically liberal system of government as though it weren’t a stated goal of many world leaders and plutocrats.

    “No economic policy can ever have zero social effect and no social policy can ever have zero economic effect. Policy is socio-economic, unavoidably.”

    Very glib, but as I suspect you know, I was referring to the doctrine that every social project must at least break even.

     
    • Damocles

      March 7, 2012 at 5:02 pm

      “You ridicule …” Yes, I do. It’s extraordinary that while our elected leaders are so often portrayed as being unable to find their own backsides with both hands they are at the same time capable of creating a secret NWO that only a few ‘enlightened’ individuals on the internet are capable of seeing, even more extraordinarily they let you get on with speaking out against it and don’t send the black helicopters after you. So yes, I ridicule.

      “I was referring to the doctrine that every social project must at least break even.”, And? There’s a global recession on. All the money has been given to the banks, something has to pay for the NHS and Social welfare. Less free rides in a recession. Oh! How unfair! Oh there I go again, ridiculing.

       
      • kargosh

        March 7, 2012 at 5:08 pm

        Haha. You must feel the same as I felt when Blair decided to stick his nose up Bush’s arse. If you have a shred of intellectual honesty, you’ll come around on this one. I don’t think that what Blair was at all justified, his Iraq invasion, his increasing authoritarianism or his sucking up to viscious arseholes and letting Pinochet off without a trial.

        You’re so blinded by party loyalty that you can’t see that you’re being sold warm piss.

         
  4. kargosh

    March 7, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    It’s not a secret. It’s a paradigm. A thing doesn’t have to be secret to be harmful.

    You wouldn’t call Communism or Fascism conspiracies, right?

     
  5. Damocles

    March 7, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    The point I was making in the blog is that the people who really and truly believe the whole P.G. Wodehouse Idyll thing are leaving the party, the party is softening, slowly, but still softening.

    I’ll get back to this later, tad busy.

    Nice to know that Kargosh comes when he’s called though.

     
  6. kargosh

    March 7, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    “Nice to know that Kargosh comes when he’s called though.”

    *sigh*

    Graceless.

     
  7. Damocles

    March 7, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    I’d like to say I enjoy these little exchanges where you just generally berate Toriness and miss the actual point I was making, but I won’t insult your intelligence.

     
  8. Rogue_Leader

    March 7, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    I’m holding a seminar on “How to build a vibrant online community”. Would you like to be a guest speaker?

     

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